@TheGibson Sorry, but no, there is no way I am going to vote for a frelling maoist to oppose the regime in place here.
@arcans ultimately it's your choice...
I know over here we are bleeding out, and it must be stopped now, so a half-measure to correct the track is acceptable.
@TheGibson Luckily, here we are not at a point where totalitarianism is a better option than the current regime.
We do have some leftists that mostly try to operate within the neoliberal party so as to not hand elections to the fascists, but the neoliberals fight that tooth and nail (and sometimes are willing to hand elections to the fascists when a leftist wins the party nomination in a primary election).
@samis @arcans @thegibson Conversely, we have a lot of people who are receptive to left ideas, but have nobody to vote for, and stay home instead. Or, they vote for a third-party candidate that doesn't stand a chance of winning (I'll admit I've done it, but it's turned out to not even been close in any of the elections I've done it in - I only regret my vote for Stein because she seems to have actually been a useful idiot at best for Putin), risking their vote helping the fascists.
@samis @arcans @thegibson A lot of this is from an utterly outdated electoral system, now that we know much fairer ways to get representation, that don't result in two of the least ethical candidates getting elevated based on their perceived ability to win elections (instead of their actual qualities), and then everyone just voting against who they perceive as the worse of the two, rather than for someone.
Their hypothesis is that their problem is that they don't appeal to a mythical "undecided" voter that sits exactly between the Republicans and Democrats, so they run candidates that are between themselves and the Republicans, to get that voter.
...that voter doesn't actually exist.
@samis @arcans @thegibson What really happens is that people want someone who actually represents them authentically, and some of those people may struggle to decide between Republicans and Democrats, but not for the reasons that Democratic leadership thinks (I think a lot of those people actually lean some form of libertarian, but the Libertarian Party is not viable and is... detached from reality).
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